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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Law Enforcement: SWAT Teams Versus Cartel ‘Infantry’ On The Border?

Filed under: Law Enforcement,Mexico — Tags: , , , , — Matt @ 4:06 PM

For the responding US SWAT teams, this incident poses a potentially dangerous situation. It is more of a military operation on a “movement to contact” than a conventional SWAT operation in the US. SWAT teams are trained and equipped to contend with criminals in barricade and hostage type situations and are accustomed to stacked (bunched together) movement and entry tactics. Typically the criminals encountered are found in small numbers— usually one or maybe two— and may or may not have a shotgun, semi-automatic rifle, and some form of body armor. It is the intent of such criminals to flee from responding police forces and only put up a fight if corned out of desperation—even then such criminals typically surrender to responding SWAT units. A group of 15 cartel/drug gang gunmen represents an entirely different threat—it essentially contains a reinforced squad of opposing force personnel. These cartel/gang foot soldiers will be proactive in their actions—not reactive like most criminals encountered— and therefore represent an opposing (enemy) force the US SWAT teams are unaccustomed to. Besides the potentials for ambushes and fires and movement being conducted by the cartel/gang gunmen, their semi-automatic (and full auto) assault weapons and the great likelihood of the presence of grenade-launchers and fragmentation grenades makes for a military-like engagement scenario that is beyond present SWAT capabilities to effectively respond. Under these circumstances, standard SWAT operating procedures—such as the use of stacked movement tactics— could be disastrous in their implementation. -from Dr. Bunker’s assessment about this incident.

This is very interesting and a hat tip to Dr. Bunker and SWJ for putting this up as tactical note #6. Basically what we have here is the cartels are battling it out along the grey areas of the border between the US and Mexico. Meaning if they are pursued by Mexican authorities, they cross over the border, and now that is a blocking action to stop the pursuit. Then of course the pursuit is picked up by the US authorities, but that is only if they are on the same sheet of music and included in the call. As you can see, the border is a strategic tool of the cartels to do what they gotta do. It is very similar to how the Taliban play the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and it makes for a complex problem for authorities.

Now this would be complex for law enforcement to deal with one or two armed criminals playing the border like this, but in this particular incident, it got very complex and dangerous.  A squad sized element of cartels, all armed with military grade weapons, crossed the border in pursuit of a target.  The SWAT team on the US side was called out to deal with this ‘cartel infantry unit’. That is quite a scenario, and like Dr. Bunker mentioned, a SWAT team would have to rethink how they approach such a thing. This is movement to contact stuff here, and the police would have to be geared more like a infantry unit in order to compete. So will SWAT teams have to roll with M-240’s, grenade launchers, and mortars in their possession?

I could also see using drones for these kinds of call outs, just so law enforcement can get an eye on exactly what they are dealing with. Especially SUAV’s that could be carried in patrol cars and launched by one officer or border patrol agent. Anything to get eyes on the situation and see exactly what they have to deal with until a helicopter gets on scene. Because an officer coming up against a cartel infantry unit would not be a good day.  They could also canvass the area and look for RIP crews that might further add violence and complexity to the situation.

This also poses a very interesting question. Should the defense of the border be a military job or a border patrol/law enforcement job? Or should the the police or border patrol continue to be modified and enhanced to look and act more like military units than police units? –Matt

 

SWAT teams dispatched as gun battle unfolds near Escobares
Ildefonso Ortiz and Jared Taylor
2011-11-08
ESCOBARES — Gunmen crossed the Rio Grande into the United States near a shootout between where the Mexican military and a group of gunmen was taking place.
Several area SWAT teams responded about 1:30 p.m. Tuesday to a ranch near Escobares, just across the U.S.-Mexico border, where a shootout broke out south of the Rio Grande.
The shootout reportedly began shortly after noon but details were not immediately available. Residents on the U.S. side reported seeing members of the U.S. Border Patrol and Starr County Sheriff’s Office securing the area near the border.
Border Patrol spokeswoman Rosalinda Huey said agents had been tracking a suspected drug load near La Rosita and pushed it back to Mexico.
Border Patrol alerted Mexican authorities of the suspected load and then found an injured Mexican national on the U.S. side of the Rio Grande, Huey said. Emergency crews rushed the man to an area hospital. His condition remains unknown.


The man, a suspected cartel gunman, had been shot by Mexican authorities, a separate U.S. law enforcement official said.
The official confirmed a group of as many as 15 gunmen had crossed the Rio Grande, though it remained unclear whether they were Mexican soldiers or cartel gunmen.
“We don’t know who they are,” the official said. “We haven’t gotten that information yet.”
Local authorities in Hidalgo County provided backup support along the Rio Grande as Border Patrol dispatched additional agents from the McAllen area to the incident in rural Starr County.
The experience was a bit unnerving for Ricardo Guerra, whose brother owns La Prieta Ranch in La Rosita. Guerra was overseeing the ranch hands shortly after noon when they noticed that the roads near the property became quickly swarmed with authorities.
“Yeah, you worry when that happens,” Guerra said. “We all went back inside the house. It looks like there was something going on over there (Mexico); we heard four or five shots from the helicopter. It looks like the (Mexican military) helicopter was shooting at the people on the ground over there.”
While he heard the shots, Guerra’s property soon swarmed with more than 100 law enforcement officials from various agencies.
“We saw them take one guy in an ambulance,” Guerra said. “He looked in bad shape.”
Story here.

5 Comments

  1. South Korean Swat has such weapons in the arsenal, of light support weapons, grenade launchers, and other tools, that would be considered, military use only. However, in this Case, ROK police have to face the ever present threat of North Korean saboteurs and the willingness of such a team, to go extreme. I see no problems with Law enforcement, in a higher risk area, to receive training, weapons, and personnel to support them, that is essence, Akin to the threat South Korea would face, of small highly trained teams sneaking across the Border. (Ref for use of justification ~Jan17, 1968 Blue House Raid, and Sept 17, 1996 Gangneung Submarine Incident)

    Comment by Will — Wednesday, November 16, 2011 @ 4:52 PM

  2. Thanks Will. Excellent perspective.

    Comment by Feral Jundi — Wednesday, November 16, 2011 @ 5:11 PM

  3. Should the defense of the border be a military job or a border patrol/law enforcement job?__The answer to that question depends on how much you value the territorial integrity of los Estados Unidos and how kinetic you can tolerate being with invaders/illegal border crossers/new Democrat voters. DEFENSE of the territorial integrity of the Westphalian nation-state is a traditional mission for most of the world's armies, implying that the neighboring country is a potential enemy with the capacity for OFFENSIVE operations that could be countered by military DEFENSIVE and COUNTEROFFENSIVE kinetic operations. __Not enough Americans consider Mexico an enemy nation-state to support any U. S. Army efforts to DEFEND America if that means killing Mexicans. __Political correctness and Democrat constituencies pretty much leave us with only the border patrol/law enforcement option, and conspire to ensure that they never get too militarized or effective.

    Comment by @cannoneerno4 — Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 1:19 AM

  4. Perfect example of what the National Guard is supposed to be fore. Not augmenting a deployment to a war zone, not walking in parades, deploy to the border and get your firefight on! I can't imagine a more appropriate action for this marginalized force.

    Comment by Travis — Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 11:53 AM

  5. Cops are not soldiers. SWAT is not a military unit. Cops want to be like combat trained, expert troops, like infantrymen or Rangers, but they’re not. This is a military job, not a job for boys with guns.

    Comment by Matheus Grunt — Sunday, August 3, 2014 @ 8:22 PM

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