Ok, here is one idea for battling these pirates. Set up some Q Ships off the coast of Somalia, with the hopes of drawing out some pirates, and either nab them or kill them. You make the ship look juicy enough, and these pirates will go after it. The Navy could just lease a few different boats, and cycle them through those areas, all with the intent of drawing out these guys. We used this tactic back in the day, until the U boat commanders started catching on.
My thoughts on it, is that the Navy could use the concept by leasing boats from the shipping industry to do it. If a boat gets shot up a little, or an RPG hits the big things, the Navy could totally repair the boat, as per the lease agreement. The shipping company could also have some kind of incentive to lease out to the Navy for putting up a boat, like some kind of insurance discount, tax credit, or just pay really well for the thing. Even the little yachts out there could be used, and the imagination is the only limit. The point being, is that boat should look like a really juicy target for the pirates, and then strike when they get close.
Or as a business venture, a Private Naval Company could offer their services for building a Q Ship. They could buy boats, modify them, paint them up a little based on the customer preference, and then hand them off to the Navy. I don’t think the Navy would want a PNC to do it all, but their is a precedent for it in a way, with the Q Ships during the WW 1 and 2 and with privateers. I am sure privateers back in the early days did all sorts of sneaky things to capture their prey, and using a Q Ship was probably one of them (or whatever they called it back then) Bring on the Q Ships! –Matt
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The USS Anacapa
Q-ship
Q-ships, also known as Q-boats, Decoy Vessels, Special Service Ships or Mystery Ships, were heavily armed merchant ships with concealed weaponry, designed to lure submarines into making surface attacks. This gave Q-ships the chance to open fire and sink them. The basic ethos of every Q-ship was to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
They were used by the British Royal Navy (RN) during World War I and by both the RN and the United States Navy during the Second World War (1939–1945), as a countermeasure against German U-boats and Japanese submarines.
In the First Battle of the Atlantic, by 1915, Britain was in desperate need of a countermeasure against the U-boats that were strangling her sea-lanes. Convoys, which had proven effective in earlier times (and would again prove effective during World War II), were rejected by the resource-strapped Admiralty and the independent captains. The depth charges of the time were very primitive, and thus the only method of sinking a submarine was by gunfire or by ramming while on the surface. The problem was luring the U-boat to the surface.
One solution to this problem was the creation of the Q-ship, one of the most closely-guarded secrets of the war. Their codename referred to the vessels’ home port, Queenstown, in Ireland[1]. These would be known to the Germans as a U-Boot-Falle (“U-boat trap”). The Q-ship would pose as an easy target for the U-boat but in fact carry hidden armament. A typical Q-ship would be an old-looking tramp steamer calmly sailing alone near an area where a U-boat was reported to be operating. By posing as a suitable target for the use of the U-boat’s deck gun, the Q-ship would encourage the U-boat captain to bring his vessel to the surface rather than use one of his expensive torpedoes, which were in short supply. The cargoes of the Q-ships would be wooden caskets and wood (e.g., balsa or cork) so even if torpedoed they would stay afloat, encouraging the U-boat to surface and use its gun. If necessary the crew could even stage an “abandon ship” routine. Once the U boat was in a suitable position the Q-ship would change rapidly, false panels would drop to reveal the hidden guns which would start firing. At the same time the White Ensign (Royal Navy flag) would be raised. With the element of surprise the U-boat could be quickly overwhelmed.
The first victory of a Q-ship occurred on June 23, 1915, when U-40 was sunk off Eyemouth by the submarine HMS C24, cooperating with the decoy vessel Taranaki, commanded by Lieutenant Frederick Henry Taylor CBE DSC RN. The wreck of the submarine was discovered in March 2009 by divers from the Scottish company Marine Quest operating out of Eyemouth. In August of that year, an even smaller converted fishing trawler named HM Armed Smack Inverlyon successfully destroyed UB-4 near Great Yarmouth. The Inverlyon was an unpowered sailing craft fitted with a small 3 pounder (47 mm) gun. The British crew put 9 rounds from the 3 pounder and small arms fire into U-4 at close range sinking her with the loss of all hands, despite the attempt of the Inverlyon’s skipper to rescue one German submariner. On August 19, 1915, Lieutenant Godfrey Herbert RN of the HMS Baralong sank U-27 which had been preparing to sink a nearby transport ship. About a dozen of the sailors survived and swam towards the merchantman; Herbert, fearing that they would scuttle her, ordered them to be shot at as they swam towards the transport and sent a boarding party which killed the German sailors who reached her; this became known as the “Baralong Incident”.
SM U-68 was sunk on 22 March 1916 by HMS Farnborough (Q-5) in an action which won her commander Gordon Campbell the VC.
Lieutenant-Commander William Edward Sanders VC, DSO, a New Zealander commanding HMS Prize, won the Victoria Cross for an action on 30 April 1917 with U-93, which was severely damaged. Sanders waited, while his ship sustained heavy shellfire, until the submarine was within 80 yards, whereupon the White Ensign was hoisted and the Prize opened fire. The submarine appeared to sink. Unbeknownst to Sanders, the submarine did not sink and struggled back to port. With his ship identified by the survivors of U-93, Sanders and his crew were killed when they were attacked by U-43 on 14 August 1917.
In the course of 150 engagements they destroyed 14 U-boats and damaged 60, at a cost of 27 Q-ships lost out of 200. Q-ships were responsible for only about 10% of all U-boats sunk, ranking them far below the use of mine fields in overall effectiveness. Neither of the German Q-Boats, Möwe and Wolf, had any success in destroying enemy submarines.
World War II
Yeomen and supply clerks of USS Anacapa exhibiting non-regulation attire typical of Q-ship duty to imitate merchant ships.
Hinged flaps aft of the anchor hid 3″ guns aboard USS Anacapa.
Nine Q-Ships were commissioned by the Royal Navy in September and October 1939 for work in the North Atlantic:
* 610-ton HMS Chatsgrove (X85) ex-Royal Navy PC-74 built 1918
* 5,072-ton HMS Maunder (X28) ex-King Gruffyd built 1919
* 4,443-ton HMS Prunella (X02) ex-Cape Howe built 1930
* 5,119-ton HMS Lambridge (X15) ex-Botlea built 1917
* 4,702-ton HMS Edgehill (X39) ex-Willamette Valley built 1928
* 5,945-ton HMS Brutus (X96) ex-City of Durban built 1921
* 4,398-ton HMS Cyprus (X44) ex-Cape Sable built 1936
* 1,030-ton HMS Looe (X63) ex-Beauty built 1924
* 1,090-ton HMS Antoine (X72) ex-Orchy built 1930
Prunella and Edgehill were torpedoed and sunk 21 and 29 June 1940 without even sighting a U-Boat. The rest of the vessels were paid off in March 1941 without successfully accomplishing any mission.[3]
The last Royal Navy Q-ship, 2,456-ton HMS Fidelity (D57), was converted in September, 1940, to carry a torpedo defense net, four 4-inch (10-cm) guns, four torpedo tubes, two OS2U Kingfisher float planes, and Motor Torpedo Boat 105. Fidelity sailed with a French crew, and was sunk by U-435 on 30 December 1942 during the battle for Convoy ON-154. [2]
By January 12, 1942, the British Admiralty’s intelligence community had noted a “heavy concentration” of U-boats off the “North American seaboard from New York to Cape Race” and passed along this fact to the United States Navy. That day, U-123 under Kapitänleutnant Reinhard Hardegen, torpedoed and sank the British steamship Cyclops, inaugurating Paukenschlag (literally, “a roll on the kettledrum” and sometimes referred to in English as “Operation Drumbeat”). U-boat commanders found peacetime conditions prevailing along the coast: towns and cities were not blacked-out and navigational buoys remained lighted; shipping followed normal routines and “carried the normal lights.” Paukenschlag had caught the United States unaware.
Losses mounted rapidly. On January 20, 1942, Commander-in-Chief, United States Fleet (Cominch), sent a coded dispatch to Commander, Eastern Sea Frontier (CESF), requesting immediate consideration of the manning and fitting-out of “Queen” ships to be operated as an antisubmarine measure. The result was “Project LQ.”
Five vessels were acquired and converted secretly in Portsmouth, New Hampshire:
* the Boston beam trawler MS Wave, which briefly became the auxiliary minesweeper USS Eagle (AM-132) before becoming USS Captor (PYC-40),
* SS Evelyn and Carolyn, identical cargo vessels that became USS Asterion (AK-100) and USS Atik (AK-101) respectively,
* the tanker SS Gulf Dawn, which became USS Big Horn, and
* the schooner Irene Myrtle, which became USS Irene Forsyte (IX-93).
The careers of all five ships were almost entirely unsuccessful and very short, with USS Atik sunk on its first patrol[1]; all Q-ships patrols ended in 1943.
American Q-ships also operated in the Pacific Ocean. One was USS Anacapa (AG-49) formerly the lumber transport Coos Bay which was converted to Q-ship duty as project “Love William.” Anacapa was not successful in engaging any enemy submarines, although she is believed to have damaged two friendly subs with depth charges when they were improperly operating in her vicinity. Anacapa was also withdrawn from Q-ship duty in 1943 and served out the remainder of WWII as an armed transport in the South Pacific and Aleutian Islands.
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Comment by UNRR — Friday, April 10, 2009 @ 9:40 PM
I'm a screenwriter in Hollywood, with more than a passing acquaintance with ocean predators, and last year, I wrote and circulated a new, original screenplay entitled "PRIVATEERS."
My story contains every element discussed here (Letters of Marque, Ron Paul, the Treaty of Paris, and Q-Boats), and it was sent to producers and studios the week before the first Somalian pirate story broke in the world news (the freighter with Russian tanks and armaments aboard was hijacked and ransomed).
Surprisingly, the script was not immediately bought, although I expect renewed interest and hope for a sale soon. Just adding this to the record, because the Internet has a way of circulating good ideas…
Carl Gottlieb
Los Angeles, CA.
Comment by Carl Gottlieb — Sunday, April 12, 2009 @ 3:22 PM
Carl-
Thats great to hear, and I hope the script gets made into a movie one day. You did an excellent job with Jaws, and I am sure this script is equally marvelous.
The inspiration for my thoughts on privateers came from the book Patriot Pirates. It is my opinion that privateers get a bad rap, and certainly were an essential tool for winning our wars of independence in the early years of the US. Here is a link to a bunch of stuff I have touched on that relates to privateers.
https://feraljundi.com/index.php?s=privateers
http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Pirates-Privateer-A…
Comment by headjundi — Monday, April 13, 2009 @ 2:02 AM
i love the idea of a Q SHIP to lure pirates in,i own a Q SHIP uss captor / uss eagle ms wave located in Boston,Mass,if i can find funding im willing to crew up and take down pirates,lets build a non profit organization and get the cameras on board and start filming,(maybe we could be on the Discovery channel some day filming pirate attacks!!!)if we can get this going i dont see why shipping companies/civilians wouldnt donate to this type of service.
Comment by Capt Joe — Wednesday, December 16, 2009 @ 5:47 AM
Capt Joe,
Any kind of offensive action would be illegal at this time. That is why it is important to have congressional authority to do such a thing, hence the letter of marque.
Now if you wanted to defend a ship, then it would take offering your services and insuring that you have all the things they are looking for, for maritime security. Often times, shipping companies go with security companies that are already established.
For you, if you already have boats, then you could lease them out to maritime security companies, and get involved there. Or lease them out to training companies, or provide training services yourself. Your asset is your boats.
But I really haven't heard of too many shipping security contracts where they want a boat in tow as well. Usually it is just security teams on boats. But I wont discount it. Blackwater had the MacArthur, and some British company bought some boats, but that this about all I have heard.
Another idea is you lease your boats to the Somali navy, or whatever coastal patrol there is there. But as far as going on the hunt, we are just not there yet, and you would be a criminal if you went down that route. I don't like it, and that is why I keep harping on the letter of marque thing.
Comment by headjundi — Thursday, December 17, 2009 @ 2:11 AM