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Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Afghanistan: Three Contractors Killed in Plane Crash

  This kind of missed the news, and adds to the brutal list of air accidents that have happened recently. RIP. –Matt

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3 bodies found in US plane wreckage in Afghanistan

October 27, 2009

KABUL — NATO-led forces have recovered the remains of three American military contractors from the wreckage of a U.S. Army reconnaissance plane that crashed two weeks ago in the rugged mountains of northeastern Afghanistan, the military said Tuesday.

The Army C-12 Huron twin-engine turboprop had been missing since it crashed Oct. 13 while on a routine mission in Nuristan province, a Taliban insurgent stronghold. The plane went down less than two weeks after insurgents overran a coalition outpost the same province, killing eight American troops in one of the war’s deadliest battles for the U.S.

NATO said in a statement that the crash is “under investigation, though hostile action is not believed to be the cause of the crash.”

Thomas Casey, a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Corp., confirmed that the three dead men — a pilot, co-pilot and technician — were American citizens working for Lockheed Martin subcontractors.

They were employed under a Lockheed Martin contract for “counter-narcoterrorism” operations, Casey said.

U.S. forces spokesman Col. Wayne Shanks said the crew were the only ones aboard when the craft went down without giving off any distress signals.

“We just lost contact,” Shanks told The Associated Press.

Nuristan has been the site of the two deadliest battles of the war for U.S. forces, including the Oct. 2 attack in the province’s Kamdesh outpost and a July 2008 raid that killed nine American soldiers at an outpost in Wanat area.

The NATO-led mission is planning to withdraw troops such isolated strongholds to focus on more heavily populated areas as part of a new strategy to protect Afghan civilians.

Shanks said the plane was on a mission for NATO-led forces at the time, but he gave no other details. Casey said only that it was a surveillance mission.

The pilot and co-pilot worked for a company called Avenge Inc., while the technician was employed by a contractor called Sierra Nevada Corp., Casey said.

The military said a UH-60 helicopter traveling to the crash site four days later “experienced a strong downdraft and performed a hard landing” nearby. The helicopter’s crew members were rescued, and the chopper was stripped of sensitive and useable parts and destroyed to keep insurgents from salvaging anything in the wreckage.

Story here.

Sunday, October 4, 2009

Military News: U.S, Afghan Troops Beat Back Bold Enemy Assault in Nuristan

   This is the question to ask. Did we kill hundreds of Taliban, or did eight of our own die?  Do you call this a success or a failure?  I mean in wars, people die, and battles often require an investment in blood.  So did we get a return on investment in this battle?  That is what I want to hear about.

   What a fight I tell you, and my heart goes out to the friends and families of the fallen.  I am sure this attack will be studied just like the Wanat attack, and we will be making adjustments if needed.  Or not.  War is a dirty and deadly business, and sometimes stuff like this happens and soldiers die.  I am not going to comment on what they did right or wrong, just emphasize that we must learn from the incident. There are always lessons to be learned.

    But back to the reporting on this. One thing I would like to hear from the MSM one of these days, is how many Taliban we killed in skirmishes like this. I want the Taliban to be sick to their stomaches from all the death of their fellow jihadists, when they read reports like this.  I want them to know, that they just lost a lot of folks because of this attack.  The Taliban are only motivated and empowered, when the MSM reports on this as some kind of tragic loss on our side.        Reportage seems to always emphasize how many we lost, and it never focuses on what was gained in these types of incidents.  We could have killed hundreds in this skirmish, yet I am told to focus on something else.

     Don’t get me wrong though, because every death on the Afghan and Coalition side is tragic. It’s just in a war we should also try to promote what we are doing right, and say ‘hey, that was one hell of a fight boys, good job’.  That is the least we could do, to honor the deaths who fell in that battle.

   The other angle on this one is the defense of a base.  This attack emphasizes the importance of having your defenses well thought out and properly resourced.  Don’t be a marshmallow eater, and take the easy way out on preparing the defense.  If you apply Kaizen to your defense, and continue to spitball ideas on how to repel the various types of attacks out there, then you are in the right. Your defense should be hardened, flexible, random, surprising, and show constant vigilance and strength. Your defense should only enhance your OODA, not hinder it. You must always look at your defense through the eyes of the enemy, and think how you would attack your position. You should also be studying other attacks in that region, and learn all you can from these in order to adjust your own defenses. Lot’s to think about, and this latest attack must be studied over and over in order to gain any lessons learned.-Matt

P.S. – I think Bill over at Long War Journal had a far better treatment of what happened, and has a far better title for the incident: US, Afghan Troops Beat Back Bold Enemy Assault in Eastern Afghanistan

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8 US troops killed in fierce Afghan fighting

By ROBERT H. REID and RAHIM FAIEZ (AP)

October 4, 2009

KABUL — Hundreds of insurgents armed with automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades stormed a pair of remote outposts near the Pakistan border, killing eight U.S. soldiers and capturing more than 20 Afghan security troops in the deadliest assault against U.S. forces in more than a year, military officials said Sunday.

The fierce gunbattle, which erupted at dawn Saturday in the Kamdesh district of mountainous Nuristan province and raged throughout the day, is likely to fuel the debate in Washington over the direction of the troubled eight-year war.

It was the heaviest U.S. loss of life in a single battle since July 2008, when nine American soldiers were killed in a raid on an outpost in Wanat in the same province.

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